Immigration reform.....yeh, I'm all for it!!
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Cinabre |
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Okay, I've just about had it up to here with just how stupid the immigration policy in the US is. My boss has married a woman from China and adopted her
son. They both came over on a visa that allowed them to stay for "x" amount of time to get married, which they did. Since the wedding, my boss has
been hopelessly wading through the process of getting them both naturalized. The amount of paperwork and the number of agencies involved is just ridiculous,
especially when agency "a" doesn't share any data with agency "b". All of the paperwork has been submitted to all of the appropriate
agencies and now he is dealing with the process of filling another other requests they may have. The newest request is a prime example of just how stupid
having so many agencies involved in this process is. He's now been informed that his wife and son must give a blood sample at an office in Jacksonville,
Fl (about 3 hour drive from here). Both have already given blood to two other government agencies, but that's apparently good enough for the agency
requesting this sample. To top it all off, even knowing that mother and son both submitted their applications as MOTHER AND SON, they scheduled the blood draw
for each of them on different days!! How fucking stupid are these folks? So, my boss must miss all day next Friday and half a day the following Monday to
take his new wife and son over to Jacksonville to have blood drawn for the THIRD time just to make sure the right box gets checked on the right form. This
process is totally broken and needs fixed. To top it all off, the agency requesting the blood sample will not change the schedule unless he submits the
request in writing and it is approved by their higher headquarters in Washington, D.C. In other words, he has zero chance of getting the scheduling changed
and must lose time from work, again.
Immigration reform.....yeh, I'm all for it!! "I certainly think the free-market has failed." - Sen. Hillary Clinton 6/4/07
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/29/04 |
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Muerta |
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It took two remarkably good lawyers and two years for my husband to get his 10 year green card. I suspect that in eight years, we will need to hire them again. It is one of the most insane experiences I have ever had- and as the wife, the interrogation that I was a fine line between frightening and funny in a stupid obtuse way. What finally convinced Immigration that we were living together? The Dog.
Arianna Huffington (on McCain and Iraq): It's his Viagra.
Steven Colbert: I guess then the warning label should be, if your erection lasts more than 100 years, pull out! |
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Zifnab |
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And people wonder why illegal immigration is a problem.
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Soygen |
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Muerta wrote:Good to see that your dog held up under the pressure of the interview.
I'm not givin' you attitude. I just want another drink.
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Darkhon Enchanter |
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They made some baiting comments, but he didn't bite...
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Muerta |
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Good to see that your dog held up under the pressure of the interview. My dog gives new meaning to the word "uber." Not only did he hold up under the interview, but he convinced the agent that all dogs should be naturalized citizens no matter where they come from. Note: the reason *my* dog was brought into evidence was because there were pictures of Jean-Luc with the dog, and me with the dog, in the same location so the agent wanted to see how the dog reacted to the both of us to prove "ownership." Unfortunately, Jean-Luc is not the alpha to the dog (I am) but in the end, the agent was convinced through pictures and interaction that the dog was aware and responsive to both of us (considering as my dog is a pet therapist, he growled at the agent when he tried to pet him- talk about mind-reading), that we shared the dog, the house, and the very obvious joint bank accounts and credit cards so he agreed to Jean-Luc's 10 year card. Personally, I wished my dog had peed on his leg. The guy was a fucking asshole.
Arianna Huffington (on McCain and Iraq): It's his Viagra.
Steven Colbert: I guess then the warning label should be, if your erection lasts more than 100 years, pull out! |
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Cinabre |
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It's kinda strange that you brought your dog up, at least today it is. My boss showed me a picture at work today of some type of puppy and asked me if I
knew what it was. I had no clue as it looked to be a mix of some sort. He wanted to get a dog for his new son, which I thought was cool. Then I read your posts
about how your dog helped you and will be sure to pass this on to my boss.
"I certainly think the free-market has failed." - Sen. Hillary Clinton 6/4/07
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/29/04 |
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Muerta |
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It became appearant through photographs that the dog was an important part of our life.
Pictures showed changes in furniture and rooms being painted. It showed us in marches with him, and quiet moments on terraces. We take him almost everywhere we can so he shows up in photos constantly. But we had to bring him into immigration to show that he responded to both of us giving commands, and like most arctic breeds, he inconveniently ignored us during the interview. But pictures are worth 1000 words, and Cortez eventually showed that he like Jean-luc as well as me.
Arianna Huffington (on McCain and Iraq): It's his Viagra.
Steven Colbert: I guess then the warning label should be, if your erection lasts more than 100 years, pull out! |
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Shrieek |
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Scruff McGruff should be forced to retire from the Immigration Department ;)
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Trike |
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well, no one said getting a mail order bride is easy.
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mfer haze |
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So you're upset that your boss is having some issues with immigration? You make a post about it when it has nothing to do with you. So you probably
don't know the whole store and only hear what your boss says. Lame .. .. ..
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Cinabre |
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Yeh, it's real lame to share in the misery of others and be sympathetic to their plight.
"I certainly think the free-market has failed." - Sen. Hillary Clinton 6/4/07
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/29/04 |
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Muerta |
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well, considering that haze doesn't know the difference between Philly and New Orleans, just consider the source.
Arianna Huffington (on McCain and Iraq): It's his Viagra.
Steven Colbert: I guess then the warning label should be, if your erection lasts more than 100 years, pull out! |
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sapiens soultracker |
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Dude think about it.. your boss is going thru all the steps and is frustrated... and he knows they will get papers. Imagine other people who have no chance of
ever getting papers...
Not saying they are right to circumvent the proceedures but i do not blame them for doing it after kowing hwo fucke dup the proceedure is. |
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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sapiens soultracker wrote: Yeah...Imagine...if they hadn't fucked around so much with fake marriages to get green cards, then the system wouldn't be so hopelessly mired with red tape after the immigration service felt the need to tighten up the process because of the all the fakers. So on behalf of all the people who do it right, who take the time, who hire lawyers if necessary so that they can Legally enter our country, FUCK all the illegal pogues who break the law by entering the country illegally. peace, Aielman My girlfriend is a democrat. She's never come right out and said that she is, but whenever we go somewhere, all she does is sit in the passenger seat and bitch about everything - Drew Carey Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Cinabre |
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Actually, he doesn't know they will get papers, but he hopes they do. Even if he crosses every T and dots every I, there is absolutely no guarantee that
his wife and step-son will be granted citizenship. And, just FYI, I like them enough to work so that I can understand them in their native language :)
Tough course, but a good way to pass time here at work when I have nothing to do or don't feel like browsing the net.
"I certainly think the free-market has failed." - Sen. Hillary Clinton 6/4/07
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/29/04 |
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sapiens soultracker |
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Yeah cause: Both have already given blood to two other government agencies, but that's apparently good enough for the agency requesting this sample. To top it all off, even knowing that mother and son both submitted their applications as MOTHER AND SON, they scheduled the blood draw for each of them on different days!! Has SOOOO much to do with illegal alliens. Right? |
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Soygen |
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Dude...
You're not even worthy of my cat picture.
I'm not givin' you attitude. I just want another drink.
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Yeah...actually it does have a helluva lot to do with them genius.
Yet another way having a shitload of criminals entering in the country illegally screws things up for the rest of us.
My girlfriend is a democrat. She's never come right out and said that she is, but whenever we go somewhere, all she does is sit in the passenger seat and bitch about everything - Drew Carey Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Cafu07 |
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Why does he hate american women? Tell him to go live in china if he loves their women so much.
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sapiens soultracker |
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Ok please explain how putting the mother to get blood tested one day and the son on another day will stop discourage or catch the ones getting married for papers? |
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Muerta |
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It's just red tape is all, Sapiens. Every government has it- I dealt with it when I was in Belgium and JL had to deal with it here. He had to get shots, I had to get AIDS tested, and there were a number of other issues that we both dealt with during the whole green card process. One thing to remember- by scheduling things differently, it also causes people to have to be committed and quite often takes them off guard as you expect that you will just be dealt with once, but after being seen on different dates, the doctors document "yes, family arrived" and submit that to the government as further proof that everyone is working as a unit. One of the reasons that it takes so long is because they want to see commitment and not just two year green card marriages (which I think are also obsolete now). I also want to add that there have been considerable changes to the laws since 9/11 and with the Patriot Act, which means that being married to someone no longer grants them the ability to become a citizen nor does it prevent deportation. Hence, families can be broken up. One of the last interviews that we did, the guy asked my husband (we were married by this point) a few questions and then proceeded to grill me on a number of different issues regarding the marriage. I was the one being put into the spotlight because I was marrying the immigrant. It really is not a fun process but I can see and understand its necessity. But the more your boss can prove commitment, the better.
Arianna Huffington (on McCain and Iraq): It's his Viagra.
Steven Colbert: I guess then the warning label should be, if your erection lasts more than 100 years, pull out! |
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creac |
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Years ago, here, I had a friend who was wanted to get his wife a visa and be allowed to migrate to Australia (he was an American with permanent residency, but
not citizenship) and she was Thai. She was here on a temporary, non-working visa. Massive amounts of red tape and lack of any action. One thing that did assist
was having all the people who knew them both of them to write to the Minister for Immigration. Of course, we all got the same reply along the lines of due to
privacy issues they couldn't discuss the specific matter with us but thanked us for the letter and our comments would be passed along. Receiving 30 odd
letters from different people around the country seemed to help - 2 weeks later she was approved (after having been told it could take many more months).
Obviously, that all counts for proof that the relationship is real and helps them to make a decision. I'd recommend something similar in this case if
possible (you presumably have a "Secretary" who handles immigration in your federal government?
Farwarden Creac Peregrinate
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Cinabre |
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Thanks for the advice Creac. Many of us have already written just such letters and are hoping that all turns out well. I held my temper in check after an
earlier post about mail order brides since I know this not to be the case. My boss spent the better part of four years traveling to China to meet his future
bride, her son, extended family etc. He started learning to speak Chinese even though she was very fluent in English (she worked as an interpreter for the
Chinese government). He brought her here to the US twice to meet his family and those of us he works with. I know what he's going through in the process
because he values my opinion and I know more about the different government organizations he has had to work with. I don't necessarily speak the
"lingo" used by these people, but I've been helpful in getting him past some roadblocks by being able to talk with them as one government worker
to another.
"I certainly think the free-market has failed." - Sen. Hillary Clinton 6/4/07
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/29/04 |
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vizco |
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My former boss married a foreign national, and it was a major pain in the ass for all concerned, mostly because of bureaucratic foul-ups and the apparently
congenital inability of bureaucrats to comprehend that normal people don't know the regulations as well as they do, even normal people who are lawyers
acting for the potential immigrant and her husband.
That being said, the major issue is really that the fraction of people trying to exploit the system have screwed it up for the people who are just trying to get their real, honest-to-goodness, I-love-her/him spouse into the country. It's not unlike the way one moron with explosive shoes and some goat-fuckers with aspirations to be amateur chemists have managed to destroy the air travel experience for all Americans. Not to mention the in-bred, trailer-trash, mouth-breathing fuckwits who've made it nearly impossible for people with allergies to get relief. There are some people who Saddam Hussein had the right idea of punishment for; he just picked the wrong people to do it to. High-speed people shredding for fake-Green-Card marriages, meth cooks, wannabee hijackers, and (oh yeah...) spammers. He'd be prohibitive favorite for President of the US had he focused on those. In fact, I think the only reason anyone supports Hillary is most people think she's the sort who would do the same without blinking an eye; the only problem with her most people have is no one is sure who she'd do it to... ![]() Harmony of Souls : My Quiver All this science I don't understand; it's just my job five days a week. |
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creac |
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Air travel...
It's 13.5 hours from Sydney to LA. So to get to Las Vegas, where I was last week, entailed arriving at Sydney Airport 3 hours ahead of my departure time. I actually was there 3.5 to make sure things were fine and get a decent seat selection. It took 1 hour to get to the airport and I'd been up an hour to get ready. final packing, etc. So by the time I land in LA I've been up for 18 hours. Next flight is scheduled to leave 3.5 hours after my arrival. By the time I clear customs and immigration and get booked in, clear security I've got about 2 hours to kill, but if my flight had been scheduled any sooner I'd have risked missing it as security delays can be unpredictable. Flight to Vegas 45 minutes. So I've been up 22.25 hours at this stage. Takes 15 minutes to get my baggage (I was happy with that) and then an hour to get my rental car because they've just made a new car rental centre and Alamo had a bunch of people who got in just ahead of me on a flight from Germany. Drive over to Las Vegas Boulevarde where I was staying and get checked in takes another 30 minutes. 24 hours after I woke up I've arrived, although it's only 6 hours later based on the clock :-) It's only mid afternoon and I need to adjust to Vegas time, so dinner with friends (those going to be married - the reason I was there) and a couple of other people keeps me awake another 7 hours before I finally crash. I was lucky, there was an empty seat between me and the woman with the window seat (I prefer aisle seats so I can move whenever I want and get extra stretching room) which made it very comfortable. No such luck on the way back and the guy in the middle seat had his family spread all over the plane (not his fault) and had to often get up to check on his wife and kids etc. Not unbearably often and he always took a chance to move when I was up so he was good about it. Flight back actually took longer. Security in the US is marginally tighter than here, but in Vegas and LA at least, has a lot more people moving through it. Also had the advantage on the way back that a fellow passenger I met as we were moving from the domestic to the international terminal was a fellow Aussie and has QANTAS club access (who have arrangements with American Airlines) so I was able to enjoy some complimentary drinks and snacks in the comfort of the lounge instead of sitting at the gate. I could have bought club membership myself but I don't fly much these days. Seriously makes me consider doing it, though. At least it's all personal, on-demand video and audio these days with latest release (still in the theatre) movies, television, etc as well as older, popular and other movies and extensive CD collections that you can build a play-list from. Considering it was all economy (coach) travel, no complaints. Just a long way to get anywhere and the steel pin in my leg meant twice (ie not all which was surprising) going through US security areas I got extra screening and pat-downs and such - but the TSA folks were extremely professional and courteous (as I was to them, which I'm sure helps). They just need to be a little more strict enforcing cabin baggage allowances (some of the things people take in are crazy). Flying's not the same as it used to be, but overall I think I prefer the security. Farwarden Creac Peregrinate
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Cinabre |
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Travel time from Iraq to Newark, which included a brief layover in Germany, was 27 hours, so I know how you feel Creac. Even worse was Gulf War I flying from
Saudi Arabia to Hawaii, going east of course!
"I certainly think the free-market has failed." - Sen. Hillary Clinton 6/4/07
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/29/04 |
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