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 ellocopato |
Glider suing Blizzard |
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Posts: 5511 11-20-06 8:07 PM
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Details here:
forums.wowglider.com/viewforum.28 Basically on oct 25th, a blizzard lawyer and employee showed up at the guy's house with demands. I think he's filing suit before blizzard does mainly to try and gain a legal advantage |
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Chabisu |
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Posts: 1376 11-20-06 8:22 PM |
He seems like a good guy, but I hope Blizzard wins. Further, I hope they are able to get his records and track down even just half of the people doing it.
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MAZOMHAJIX |
Re: Glider suing Blizzard | #2 | |||
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Posts: 386 11-20-06 9:36 PM Community Member |
i have just started playing WoW and never heard of glider until now.
some good points made on that board. from "can a minor even agree to a EULA" (which i think so, it's not a contract) to Blizz banning people, but not refunding money for the future prepaid months to the fact that blizzard says they can scan any and all parts of your hard drive while you're playing WoW (didn't know that one). i hope this does go to trial, it's all very interesting. MAZO |
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Maddie Faye |
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Posts: 1998 11-20-06 11:23 PM The Flame-Broiled |
I don't think this will ever go to trial. I think that they will settle out of court with Blizzard. The copyright infringement is certainly an interesting perspective!
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Silound |
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Posts: 993 11-21-06 1:09 AM Annihilators Penis of Power |
Whew, ok that suit is a WIDE open doorway if the judge doesn't pay close attention. Mercury could bring the online gaming industry to it's knees with that suit.
 Insomnia has nothing on me since I quit EQ. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a date hunting fuzzy koala-oid beings full-auto with breacher rounds. |
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 Kiaora |
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Posts: 1500 11-21-06 3:18 AM Alien Pod Person |
here's hoping an end in sight to cheating scum.
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vizco |
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Posts: 5449 11-21-06 3:29 AM Raid Peon |
Quote:Bingbingbingbing! We have a winner! Of course Blizzard/Vivendi has enough money they could probably afford to sell this guy into slavery if they chose. I predict that Glider is not long for this world, but as part of the out-of-court settlement, they probably won't get to sell him into slavery. Quote:That's lawyer-speak for "drooling gibbering batshit insane." |
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pailryder |
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Posts: 1421 11-21-06 6:49 AM |
DNRTFA
I hope blizzard gets their pants sued off. I certainly didn't agree to have my machine and internet connection used as a p2p patch client and other issues. I don't play anymore so i've already made my choice with my $$ but in reality, companies that thing they can push other people around need to be kept in check. Yes cheating sucks and that arguement has been hashed out on this board dozens of times but I never want to see a big company be able to jerk around a little guy. |
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Beluyen |
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Posts: 38 11-21-06 8:13 AM |
Quote: Then download the patches from one of the 10000 places that mirror them? I don't like the bit torrent downloader either, and don't use it - it's really not an inconvenience for me. I'd prefer it if they had an EQ style patcher, or offered direct downloads of their patches...but the way they do it makes pretty smart business sense. |
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Ersiusp |
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Posts: 3829 11-21-06 10:37 AM 1-900-Santa |
Quote:Are you sure you didn't? Have you read all the crap you agree to whenever you log onto WoW? I have not, but I bet it's covered somewhere in there. |
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ChaosLordKhorne |
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Posts: 397 11-21-06 4:52 PM
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Quote: You can turn the p2p portion off. Yes, it makes the download extremely slow, but they do offer an alternative. In addition, as others have said, there are numerous sites hosting the patches anymore. EDIT: Does anyone else find it amusing that Nazis were brought up in the first page of his 'case details' thread? Awer - Un-Retired Level 60 Human Warlock - Medivh Server Awer - Retired Level 65 High Elf Magician  |
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marthisdil |
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Posts: 972 11-21-06 10:28 PM |
It all comes down to this:
If Glider decrypts Blizzards packets in order to try and avoid Warden, it's all over with. It's a clear violation of the DMCA...Blizzard will gain all information from Paypal on who all has paid him for the software, back track it, ban a lot more accounts, and take everything away that the guy has ever done. Since glider has no other use outside of WoW, he doesn't have much of a defensible case to say "it's just a program, how people use it is up to them" (unlike AutoIT, and other external scripting systems). www.keepersofthefaith.org
marthisdil@gmail.com |
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Maddie Faye |
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Posts: 1998 11-21-06 11:01 PM The Flame-Broiled |
Quote: I'm not going to hold my breath, but that would seriously own. |
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Chabisu |
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Posts: 1376 11-21-06 11:52 PM |
I think the best thing is how so many people are crying about how Blizzard banned them after taking their money. Asking for refunds, prorates, etc...
YOU CHEATED AND GOT CAUGHT. The rules didn't apply to you before so why should they now. Suck it up and move on. |
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Silound |
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Posts: 993 11-22-06 12:28 AM Annihilators Penis of Power |
Chab - So if it does go to court and Blizzard loses, does this mean you think people who were previously banned shouldn't get money back or their accounts back? (I'm well aware that this would take a court order to make back-reparitions, I'm just asking your opinion)
On another note, I love how people are so quick to jump on the wagon to bash people who bot and/or use other hacks. I just wonder how many people take the time to step back and think about how we've been conditioned by the companies to think that bots are bad, and that people who use them deserve to lose accounts, etc etc. Maybe I just look at things far too objectively, but all I see is an argument of opinion that's had almost 15 years of of industry reinforcement with no real line drawn. Insomnia has nothing on me since I quit EQ. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a date hunting fuzzy koala-oid beings full-auto with breacher rounds. |
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Posts: 5595 11-22-06 12:54 AM |
Quote: Actually, I guy I worked with and his lawyer roomate sued Verant/Sony for just that thing when they banned a wizard account they bought together. They won. By taking your money, they agree to provide service. By not providing service, they're actually breaking the law...which trumps breaking the rules of the game. At least that's the way that judge saw it in that case. peace, Aielman Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs. AKA Bret |
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vizco |
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Posts: 5449 11-22-06 1:09 AM Raid Peon |
Quote:I'd be real interested to see the record of that case. Did it have to do with hacks/botting or was it something more nebulous like bad behavior? |
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marthisdil |
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Posts: 972 11-22-06 1:31 AM |
Quote:Nope - because every patch, you click saying that you agree to let them cancel your account whenever, for whatever. At most, they would have to pay you for a partial month (or if you paid longer than a month, pay you the remainder from the date of ban). Quote:I'd be very interested in this case - simply because that would mean that the judge ruled that the click-EULA and TOS you click all the time as unbinding...and if that were the case, you'd be sure that all the third party gold/item/toon sellers, etc, would be bringing things around a lot faster. www.keepersofthefaith.org
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Chabisu |
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Posts: 1376 11-22-06 3:15 AM |
Quote: If it goes to court (which I doubt) and Blizzard looses (which I doubt even more) then I still wouldn't agree with people recieving accounts back or any money lost. Every single time you enter the game you click on the EULA and agree that you won't cheat, won't use third party software, etc. The people who decided to do just that, did it at risk of their account and to cry about it after the fact is just laughable. In fact before the bans most of these people simply laugh at how ineffective Blizzard is, it's only after they get caught do they think about what they have done. Sure EULAs have been fought before because they add in all sorts of nonsense that companies can't really do, but I don't think there is a leg to stand on here. It's not like they are trying to install rootkits on your hard drive. They are asking you to abide by some very simple terms. Also it isn't that I've been programmed by companies to think that botting is bad, it's that 'I' think botting is bad in a MMORPG. It hurts the economy, it hurts being able to find a group as you complete with people who have a 60 of every class, and most of all it is a video game. If you don't want to play it then don't play it. |
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Ersiusp |
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Posts: 3829 11-22-06 4:58 AM 1-900-Santa |
Cheating at cards will get you shot. It didn't take 15 years of mmorpg company "programming" to teach me that.
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Silound |
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Posts: 993 11-22-06 12:11 PM Annihilators Penis of Power |
Just because you click and agree doesn't make it a legal agreement. It just means you're giving your consent to it until someone challenges it and proves it to be either illegal or invalid on some point(s).
Click-to-play EULAs are nothing but a forced contract. The fact that you're forced to consent to them to be able to play the game is, in itself, of a questionable legality on the same basis that private clubs with membership requirements are often overturned. Yes, you have the option to not take part, but that doesn't mean they have any grounds to prevent anyone from playing in a non-harmful way (IE Sony's blind eye to the private EQ server ring that's been around for a long time). Insomnia has nothing on me since I quit EQ. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a date hunting fuzzy koala-oid beings full-auto with breacher rounds. |
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