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Posts: 2180 07-21-08 2:21 AM Mortal Wombat |
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Posts: 926 07-21-08 2:41 AM |
"For you to honestly think though that you have the right to decide that somebody like my father is less valuable than some guy who was so drugged out of
his mind and suffering from mental instabilites... I'll leave it at that as you aren't worth getting banned for. "
Chabisu: Yes his life is. That's part of BEING a cop. You have to put OTHERS first. Sorry that offends you but thats part of the job. Cop's used to know that and live that. Protect and serve meant protect the public not protect themselves and server their own interests. Cop's used to know that... sounds like your dad knew that back then... or was he the kind of guy who'd taser a 5 year and a blind woman? Most cops I know hate this shit but blue wall is the blue wall and you don't speak out in public about this. Galidin  |
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Posts: 3246 07-21-08 2:45 AM Community Member |
Ok, so you're saying that cops shouldn't use tasers to protect themselves, and that using tasers to protect a subject from injuring themselves is
"bullshit." Your assertion is that cops use tasers because they're just a bunch of sadistic bastards on a power trip. Is that about right?
How about you back that crap up with some facts? Or are you just talking out your posterior?
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Posts: 926 07-21-08 2:59 AM |
I believe I clearly said "I'm all for tasers if they have STRICT guidelines on use and are used "before" a gun not as a first or second
response item. "
Which means as we went over in the LAST thread tasers are a response BEFORE guns not a FIRST RESPONSE and only used when a gun is the next step NOT when you don't approve of what the person is saying so you taser them so they shutup or stop kicking your cruisers bullet proof plexi or because a blind woman is in your way... Protecting a subject from harming themselves IS BULLSHIT. These situations keep coming up when people are being tasered and the excuse is always "in the person's best interest" yea.. your 12 year old wow she'd of hurt herself if we cuffed her so it was much better to taser her... your pregnant wife she would of hurt herself if we had to cuff her so we tasered her... your blind old mother we had to taser or she would of hurt herself...? You believe any of that? The COP getting hurt? PART OF THE JOB. A soldier isn't allowed to taser someone because they might be dangerous or might hurt themselves if they had to be restrained yet we allow our cops to taser kids and blind people and defend them as if the situation could mean it was really valid... Come on? You can't possibly believe this shit? If it's true then wrestling programs all over colleges and high schools must be destroying peoples lives left and right all the time and by the grace of god I survived the horror of activly resisting someone stronger then me without this "danger" they would be put under if the cops had to do the same thing.... like they have... for thousands of years... without tasers... Galidin |
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Posts: 926 07-21-08 3:08 AM |
What exactly is so hard about requiring cops to use a taser as they would of used a hard strike with a nightstick? The ONLY argument I've ever heard thats
even a possibility is "the cop's safety" and I don't value a cop's safety over a kid's safety or blind person's safety or a
pregant woman's safety. I approve of PAYING cops because their job is to put themselves in harm's way so the citizens don't have to. As part of
that we expect them to use violence as a last resort not as an easy way to be safe.
A taser isn't a verbal command. A taser isn't handcuffs. A taser isn't physically holding someone down. It's really that simple. You activly fighting a cop and he tries to restrain you and can't go for it. You have any kind of weapon go for it. Your a SERIOUS risk of harming yourself or others (ie: holding someone, going to grab someone threatiningly who's a bystander not a cop, etc) then go for it. Your a blind woman? No. Your a 5 year old? No. Your a pregnant woman? No. Your a guy who throws the ticket at you? No. Your someone who refuses to follow an "order" but has made no threatening or possibly threatning moves? No. It's really that simple. I'd bet 90% of cops already follow those rules but it's the 10% we need the absolute regulations for. Galidin |
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Posts: 4788 07-21-08 4:46 AM |
Galidin wrote: I'd bet that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot 80% of the time with no data to back them up. Don't worry though...we've taken your anti-taser crusade seriously where I live.
Instead, we just shoot people giving the cops difficulty. 13, as of this morning, times so far this year, 9 of which were fatally... and it's only July. We had more shootings last year than Orlando, Miami and Tampa combined. But hey...at least they didn't get tased. peace,
"There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
Last Edited By: Aielman KajiraLiege 07-21-08 7:39 AM.
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Posts: 2373 07-21-08 9:20 AM 1-900-Santa |
Galidin wrote:
*you're
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Posts: 2673 07-21-08 11:34 AM |
Statistics mean absolutely bunk in this arguement, like many issues unfortunately. Public perception is all that matters. If the public gets outraged then the
cops can throw statistics at them all day long showing 0.001% of taser use being done incorrectly and the public will still demand a ban. I've done the
same thing here in Canada discussing crime with people. Property crime in Canada is currently at the same levels it was during 1969. Think people believe that,
though? Nope. Show them the statistics and a day later they're telling other people how nervous they are with "all the breakins". Lots of people
think emotionally, not logically. The statistics don't mean jack. Its very difficult to compete with fear.
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Posts: 2681 07-21-08 11:36 AM Mera's Master |
creac wrote: Can I throw a fit now and call you a poor moderator and the like? ;)
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Posts: 3908 07-21-08 11:37 AM
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well that's expected anytime anyone gets a warning
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Posts: 2681 07-21-08 11:41 AM Mera's Master |
I know you laughed, Pat!
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Posts: 3908 07-21-08 11:54 AM
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i did :)
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Posts: 3908 07-21-08 11:56 AM
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Galidin wrote: Used to be death by chokehold was all the rage when it came to police methods misused.
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Posts: 2131 07-21-08 1:24 PM |
The use of tasers has become very widespread yet I don't think there are any uniform guidelines on when they should and should not be used. If this does
exist, please link it here.
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Posts: 2681 07-21-08 1:50 PM Mera's Master |
It may very well be department by department, district by district, etc. I'm wondering if there is a uniform policy on that topic?
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Posts: 2447 07-21-08 2:34 PM |
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Posts: 4987 07-21-08 5:24 PM BANNED |
That's pretty much what a person would have guessed, no? There are some federal guidelines because tasers are weapons. There are state laws which may vary
some from state to state. Beyond that, there is the possibility of departmental policies.
Saying a fat, blind, pregnant, 5-year-old was tasered doesn't mean anything to me other than it sounds a little outrageous. But without knowing what the laws/policies are, and what percentage of taser incidents stories like this comprise, it's hard to come to any meaningful conclusions. I don't like to operate on outrage alone. Is there a systemic problem? If so, is the problem with the laws? Is it with the policies of local departments? Are all cops sadistic assholes? If the cops in these stories violated departmental policies, they should be disciplined or fired. If they broke federal or state law, they should be prosecuted. Beyond that, look at the statistics and see if new laws are required. |
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Posts: 2673 07-22-08 7:00 AM |
Unfortunately, the general public doesn't work on statistics, they work on outrage and emotion. If the cops don't get this kind of stuff out of the
limelight they'll be forced to put in stricter policies no matter what the statistics say.
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Posts: 926 07-22-08 11:58 PM |
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/22/taser.death/index.html
Seriously they needed to taser him when he was cuffed... also when he was not reacting to the shocks... then AGAIN... Really... Galidin |
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Posts: 2681 07-23-08 12:42 AM Mera's Master |
The guy in the picture in that article is a model for racial profiling in my opinion. Apparently he didn't watch Chris Rock's video on how not to get
your ass kicked by the police.
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