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Kayso Gnomehater		#61	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4987 07-20-08 4:37 AM BANNED email Brad for details	Ganders wrote: That said, I've trained with 8 of the top professional fighters in the world. They all eat the same You do know that your average "top professional fighter in the world" isn't looking to eat healthily at minimum cost when it comes to diet, right? They are aiming for a specific target and are not worrying about whether it's (a) the healthiest option for them long term, or (b) uber cheap. You can keep asserting that if you like -- it doesn't make it magically true. First, my head instructor at the gym I work out at is the number 5 middleweight in the world. He has less money than I do. So he's obviously not hurting for cash, but that doesn't make him a Soccor player either. Second, you may adjust your overall diet to train for a fight, but many serious fighters eat healthy as possible year round. And none of that invalidates the fact that lean meats, fresh veggies, fresh fruit, and some good non-dairy fats is the best way to eat. It's the way our ancestors ate before agricultural technology kicked in and most of our bodies haven't evolved to keep up with the changes in food technology. Keep eating bleached rice and bread from bleached flour. Eat your own weight and potatoes and pasta everyday. It won't affect me.
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Falkahnhan		#62	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2699 07-20-08 8:29 AM	A healthier diet costs more then a not so healthy diet. The point you continue to miss, or ignore, is that it costs less to eat fewer calories than it does to eat more. You don't have to eat fresh fruits and veggies, lean meats, etc to not be obese. What you have to do is burn more calories than you take in. If you're taking in more calories than you burn to the point of being obese then you're obviously not having a hard time feeding your family. - Joe I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grants a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison
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Falkahnhan		#63	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2699 07-20-08 8:44 AM	As for obesity being more prevalent in lower income groups, while that may have been true at one point in time it doesn't appear to be true today. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-05-02-obesity-affluent_x.htm There is now little difference in obesity rates between income groups. In the 1970s, fewer than 10% of the most affluent were obese, compared with almost a quarter of those earning less than $25,000. In 2001-02, just a handful of percentage points separated all income groups. Researchers reported Monday at an American Heart Association conference in Washington, D.C., that obesity rates in those with a household income of more than $60,000 per year have almost tripled in that time, going from 9.7% to 26.8%. Among those making less than $25,000, the increase was much smaller, from 22.5% to 32.5%. I also found statistics in Colorado that shows similar data: http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/cohid/brfss.html $25,000>Income: 21.5% were obese, 55.3% were overweight $25,000 $50,000 While there is a slight difference in obesity rates are income rises it's hardly a drastic difference. - Joe I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grants a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison
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vizco		#64	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3268 07-20-08 10:25 AM Raid Peon	And none of that invalidates the fact that lean meats, fresh veggies, fresh fruit, and some good non-dairy fats is the best way to eat. QFT. The problem, I think, is that people are not learning how to create meals that fit that profile. They eat lots of pre-processed food, lots of packaged meals, lots of junk food, etc. One reason is that these things are basically all really easy to fix: pop them in the microwave or the oven, wait, eat. Lean meats are generally somewhat more expensive than fatty meats (you pay for the work skinning the chicken or trimming the beef, or the different diet of the animal if the meat is grown leaner, like bison). Fresh veggies require actual prep work (washing, trimming) and cooking (steam or boil, though you can microwave some of them). These aren't rocket-science skillz, but they take time and effort to learn and to do. And of course our bodies are designed to crave all that junky stuff, because they were rare and highly desirable treasures back when we were hunter-gatherers. So you're fighting against your body the whole time (one reason why high-protein diets work reasonably well is they work with that genetic craving). Harmony of Souls : My Quiver All this science I don't understand; it's just my job five days a week.
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Kayso Gnomehater		#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4987 07-20-08 11:25 AM BANNED email Brad for details	I would agree with all of that.
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Cafu07		#66	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2131 07-20-08 11:36 AM	Internet fattys are always nutrition experts.
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Ersiusp		#67	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2373 07-20-08 11:52 AM 1-900-Santa	Just a quick question for the paleo people. Is there enough calcium in the diet? Which foods does it come from?
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Zukhov		#68	[url]	[-]
Posts: 212 07-20-08 12:32 PM Disco Wizard Spikiest Ears in Norrath.	Cafu07 wrote: Internet fattys are always nutrition experts. QFT! <img src="http://www.nhbzone.com/up4it/up4it_images/zukhov.jpg">
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Soygen		#69	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7306 07-20-08 1:17 PM 100% Soybean	Ersiusp wrote: Just a quick question for the paleo people. Is there enough calcium in the diet? Which foods does it come from? Best is lots of broccoli, spinach, almonds, etc. Supplements as well, if you are avoiding milk and cheese. I can't not eat cheese, even when I'm on a real strict diet, I make room for cheese! Mmmm. I'm not givin' you attitude. I just want another drink.
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Kayso Gnomehater		#70	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4987 07-20-08 2:21 PM BANNED email Brad for details	What he said. Lots of broccoli. And, if you're going to cheat, some dairy is probably one of the better choices.
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Vydas		#71	[url]	[-]
Posts: 353 07-20-08 7:22 PM	Here's the actual study from this week's New England Journal of Medicine that's the basis for Borofin's link: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229 It's a bit misleading to say that the low-carb diet is best, as the Washington Post implies, if you read the actual foundation article in the NEJM. I do wonder about the long-term effects of any diet that is weighted (pardon the pun) heavily towards protein, as that has the potential to wreak havoc with the kidneys over time. My blood work is always outstanding, so I'll happily stick with my Mediterrean style intake.
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Falkahnhan		#72	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2699 07-20-08 8:04 PM	It looks like my table in the earlier post didn't copy properly. From here: http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/cohid/brfss.html Under $25,000: 21.5% were obese, 55.3% were overweight $25,001 to $49,999: 17.5% were obese, 57.1% were overweight Over $50,000: 16.5% were obese, 54.4% were overweight - Joe I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grants a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison
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Galidin		#73	[url]	[-]
Posts: 926 07-20-08 8:19 PM	So... that supports your argument how? That shows me that your FAR less likely to be obese if you make over 50K then under 25K and as we already knew most of America is overweight but even there it's still true. Galidin
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Vydas		#74	[url]	[-]
Posts: 353 07-20-08 8:24 PM	And what does that mean? Maybe people that earn 25K or less don't have time to go to the gym? It also means that those earning more than 50K (and presumably more educated) still can't get a handle on what to put in their mouths vs. what to expend. I wonder what the figures are for those countries where rice is a significant part of the diet? My bet - there are far less overweight and/or obese people, despite the fact that rice is a staple.
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Galidin		#75	[url]	[-]
Posts: 926 07-20-08 8:44 PM	Yea and the figures for the daily allotment of rice and the figures for life span and heart disease and diabetes would be fantastic too because as I've said many times now you can LIVE on an unhealthy diet but it will hurt you in the end. I'm sure the figures have nothing to do with diet and as clearly as you can see in ANY supermarket high fat foods are the same price as low fat foods. Lean meat is the same price as very fatty meat. Fresh produce is the same price as potatoes chips. It's all bullshit and clearly your right potatoes and rice and corn make a great diet. See you in dialysis center in 20 years. Galidin Last Edited By: Galidin 07-20-08 8:56 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Vydas		#76	[url]	[-]
Posts: 353 07-20-08 8:49 PM	You won't see me there. The Mediterrean Diet is the ONLY balanced one out of the three (low carb, low fat, Med). It's the only one that doesn't take an exceptional toll on the body. Truly, when I look at those statistics, I see something altogether different - regardless of income grouping, at least 70 percent of Americans have problems with their relationship with food. And, that's only on the overweight side. Bulemia and anorexia are also issues in this country. Overall, not a passing grade.
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Cinabre		#77	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3167 07-20-08 8:55 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb	Vydas wrote: I wonder what the figures are for those countries where rice is a significant part of the diet? My bet - there are far less overweight and/or obese people, despite the fact that rice is a staple. I recall seeing very few obese/overweight people - except foreigners - in Japan or Korea. According to this graph, the rate of deaths due to diabetes in Japan per 100,00 is pretty damn low.
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Galidin		#78	[url]	[-]
Posts: 926 07-20-08 8:59 PM	And you do realize the typical Japanese diet while containing rice is extremely high in fish and lean protein? You go to the local megamart and buy 73% lean beef, minute rice and some corn and I'll make a typical Japanese dinner and you know which one will cost more AND be much better for you? Tip: It's not the 1.99 a pound beef. Galidin
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Galidin		#79	[url]	[-]
Posts: 926 07-20-08 9:07 PM	And before the "and you know this how" outside of the most basic web searching could tell you my friend Thearon (paladin friend from EQ, met back in solb, we keep in touch) is Japanese. Born in USA, navy guy, but lives there now with his family and a topic of frequent discussion is differences of America vs japan. Galidin
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Kayso Gnomehater		#80	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4987 07-20-08 9:11 PM BANNED email Brad for details	People in other countries walk more, eat far less sugar, and eat far less processed foods. There are also genetic factors at work. So, if you like carbs and think they're great for you, you're always going to point and say "Asians eat rice, See? Carbs are awesome!". There's more to it than that. It would be about as dishonest as me saying "look at those fat-ass Polynesians eating all that Poi". You have to compare people with similar genetics and lifestyles and see how the ones who eat one way differ from the others. That said, if you eat a Med diet like Vydas and don't gorge yourself on processed cheap carbs, like all the corn sugar-based products here, you're going to be healthier than the person who does.
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