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 Federiko EQ |
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Posts: 3288 05-20-08 1:40 PM You can never have too |
Is it too much to hope for a 1985 style rigging of the lottery tonight? I need me some Derrick Rose on the Knicks.
One time, Mr. Stern. One time. Simulator Also, please punish the Heat for being the most obvious tankers in recent memory. They deserve the #4 selection. |
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Posts: 1869 05-20-08 2:51 PM |
Federiko EQ wrote: We deserve the #1 selection! This is our playoffs and we've been waiting for it for around 5 months now!
Key takeaway: they do it in reverse order. Knicks or Heat fan, we are hoping to see the teams picked in their order because any skipped team means they jumped their seed and got one of the top 3 picks, dropping our teams back a spot.
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Posts: 1869 05-20-08 2:59 PM |
Cafu07 wrote: Quoting myself to say.... actually, I don't think I want the top seed. The NBA pundits are saying most of the top (worst) teams are looking at Rose as
their #1. I'd rather the Heat fall into #2 and be 'forced to settle' for Beasley. I know Chris Paul has everyone saying there's no more
important position than point guard, but I'd hate to pass on a talent like Beasley.
Also, picking Bayless would give the Heat the "my momma couldn't spell" Dwyane/Jarryd combination in the backcourt. One more thing: Can you really say the Heat tanked? Practically EVERYONE was hurt. At one point. the Heat started a second half with 5 players that had
all played in the developmental league sometime earlier in the season. The Heat made mistakes in the offseason by letting Posey and Kapono get away as free
agents (maybe letting Kapono go wasn't that big of a mistake considering his numbers), but after that we just kept losing players. Everyone said the Heat
mortgaged their future for a championship. Guess what? you were right. They were left with a shell of a team this year that couldn't survive even a few
injuries and ended up with a worst case scenario of all of their top players hurt and missing significant time.
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Posts: 3288 05-20-08 3:15 PM You can never have too |
Rose = Beasley > Bayless > Mayo
I wouldn't mind any of them on the Knicks. They should be the top 4 taken but some team will inevitably reach for a white guy big man and grab Lopez or Love. I've been higher on Rose since before the NCAA tournament when most of the media jumped on board. He's awesome. I don't really get the Chris Paul comparisons though as he's more like Deron with Wade's ability to drive and kick it out. I think he'd be redundant on the Heat. Beasley is a much better fit for them. |
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Posts: 1869 05-20-08 3:29 PM |
Federiko EQ wrote: probably the Heat :( Federiko EQ wrote: It's not a comparison to Paul's playing style. It's more of a "look at what a great point guard can do with even an average group of
players" thing. I saw a good comment on one of the NBA blogs that went something like this: "Beasley started the year as the consensus #1, he put
up the stats all year long to stay the consensus #1, and even after the NCAA tourney was over most people still considered him the #1 pick. Then the NBA
playoffs started and without playing one more game Rose became the #1 pick." The comment was phrased better, but that was the gist of it.
The Heat needs a point guard and Rose projects to playing the point. They've experimented a little over the years with playing Wade at point, but it doesn't work out as well as playing him at 2 and frankly he doesn't want to play point. So, yeah, he does seem similar to Wade in a lot of ways, but at the end of the day you still need both positions. On Mayo, he certainly has the talent, but he seems like a bit of a head case. I wonder if he's this year's Carmello Anthony - tons of talent but isn't going to help you win in the playoffs. |
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Posts: 1869 05-20-08 3:41 PM |
Hey, speaking of the Knicks...
There's been a lot of talk about New York making a play for LeBron James in 2010 when a lot of their salary issues start to clear up, but the Heat beat writer thinks this is a pipe dream and that the Knick still won't be able to afford LeBron unless they are able to move Randolph, Curry or Crawford. What say you? Are the Knicks hoping for an increase in the salary cap, or perhaps count on getting James for a good price? |
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Federiko EQ |
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Posts: 3288 05-20-08 4:05 PM You can never have too |
I like the Melo/Mayo comparison. I think that's pretty close actually.
The Knicks are actually in good rebuilding cap shape at this point so it wouldn't be tough to make a play for any of the major 2010 free agents. As long as they let Marbury's contract expire this year (which they should) they'll be under the cap in 2010 and it'll only take some minor shuffling to be able to offer a max deal. And realistically no one expects Randolph or possibly Curry to be on the team very long anyways. Crawford is probably staying as he fits D'Antoni's fun and gun system pretty well. As for it being LeBron, who knows. Everyone keeps talking about him going to the Nets because of Jay-Z but I think any of the major market teams has a pretty good shot at him if Cleveland keep surrounding him with crap. But the list of potential free agents that year is sick, even though most of these will probably re-sign or exercise their options... Dwayne Wade (Option) LeBron James (Option) Chris Bosh (Option) Amare Stoudamire (Option) Yao Ming (Option) Dirk Nowitski (Option) Tracy McGrady Joe Johnson Carlos Boozer Manu Ginobli
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Posts: 1869 05-20-08 4:36 PM |
I'll agree that's an impressive list, and you know I'm a Dwyane Wade fan, but as good as those players are none of them really compare to LeBron.
I'm not sure exactly what Ira Winderman meant by the Knicks not having enough cash to grab LeBron. As it looks now (hoopshype.com salary listing) the Knicks should have around 30 million to spend in 2010. Maybe he thinks the Knicks will inevitably have to add players that will lower that number. Could he possibly think that LeBron will demand more than 30 mil a year? I guess I'll send him an email asking for clarification. He always responds, often within a few minutes - he's cool that way. |
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Federiko EQ |
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Posts: 3288 05-20-08 5:37 PM You can never have too |
He's sort of right. Not that the HoopsHype numbers are off but they're also not taking into account the player options for guys like Jared Jefferies
and Eddy Curry and those will almost certainly be exercised. So our number right now for the 10/11 season is like $46m. Under the cap, but unable to offer a
max deal unless we move a contract.
There's going to be a lot of turnover in the next year anyways so really it's pointless speculation with the current contracts we have. If Walsh wants to make a play at LeBron, he'll be able to. |
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Posts: 1869 05-20-08 6:02 PM |
Federiko EQ wrote:Yeah, I wrote him an email and he responded with the same thing. He has your cap number at $47.8 mil going into 2010. |
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Posts: 4567 05-20-08 6:20 PM BANNED |
They've been talking about the Knicks too much today on talk radio. I think they've cursed you.
I think one or two is huge because I agree with you that Rose and Beasly are equal in terms of their likelyhood to come in, become multi-allstars, and help their teams win Championships. And I think they're measurably better than anyone else in the draft. Most of the talking heads have Beasley slipping to number two because it's just not as much of a sure thing as Rose. Then again, Chris Paul slipped to number four because coming out of Wake he wasn't as much of a sure thing as Bogut. And didn't the Jazz trade up to get Williams over Paul? I think too often as draft day closes in, teams start to over-think and over-analyze players. My prediction is number 3-5 based on too much jawing from the ESPN network guys about how important this is to the Knicks. As long as you don't get Mayo it should be a decent pick no matter what. |
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Federiko EQ |
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Posts: 3288 05-20-08 6:37 PM You can never have too |
I don't think Beasley is less of a sure thing in terms of productivity but there is some question as to whether he'll play the 3 or 4. He's a
tweener so he's not as easy to project as guy like Rose where you just plug him in at the point and let him go.
Bogut turned out pretty much exactly as advertised, a Brad Miller 15/10 type guy, so any disappointment in Milwaukee is because teams manlove 7 foot white guys too much. |
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Posts: 2430 05-20-08 6:39 PM Community Member |
ironically the first time i clicked the simulator, the knicks got the first pick.
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Posts: 3288 05-20-08 7:28 PM You can never have too |
Fuck the Bulls and their 1.7% chance.
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Posts: 421 05-20-08 7:46 PM |
Heh. Paxson is sure to fuck things up, not to worry.
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Posts: 452 05-20-08 8:46 PM |
Why would King James go to NY? That would be like Peyton Manning leaving the Colts for Oakland.
Sure Lebron would make more cash if he went to NY, but would he ever win there? When is the last time the Knicks did anything? I know they had Oakley and all that back in the day, but they couldn't deal with Jordan, Magic, Miller, or anyone else better then them. And they're not better now. Far from it actually, they're worse than bad, they kept Isaiah for like 2-4 years while he drove them into the ground for probably the next 3-5 years. Cleveland is where LBJ is from, a map of Akron is imprinted on the bottom of the Lebron V's. Are they going to change that when they retro them if he for some reason goes to NY? Nope, because he won't go to NY for one. For seconds, you always notice the important Jordans always have a retro Carolina blue colorway, nobody even would know Akron or Ohio existed if not for Lebron. Jordan always wore Carolina shorts, Lebron will probably just stay in Cleveland. And he'll probably win championships there win Kobe starts to decline and he himself becomes the supreme beast of the court, even moreso than now. I'm betting Lebron will stay in Cleveland his entire career, and eventually win multiple chamionships. Not as many as Jordan, but he'll win a few. And it most certainly won't be with a losing pile of steaming shit like the Knicks. Or I dunno, maybe NY can trade it's 10 starting overpaid guards for enough picks....... right. |
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Posts: 3288 05-20-08 9:31 PM You can never have too |
You seem to be under the impression that the Cavs have a decent team outside of Lebron. They suck. If it were feasible as a bet, I would put large amounts of
money down on Lebron NOT playing his entire career in Cleveland.
My guess is Lebron will be playing for Brooklyn in 2010, not the Knicks. |
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Posts: 45 05-20-08 9:34 PM |
LeBron will go to the Brooklyn Nets! :P
As for the lottery... I think the Bulls are going to take Beasley with their top pick. They haven't had an interior presence in God knows how long, and Beasley fits that bill. Why would they get Rose when they have Hinrich, Duhon, and Gordon already in that backcourt and upset about playing time? Not like that Heat are going to be overly upset with Rose, though. He won't have as big of an impact as some say (as DWade handles the ball a lot), but he sure won't hurt! |
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Cafu07 |
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Posts: 1869 05-21-08 1:13 AM |
Federiko EQ wrote: wow Chicago. That said, how is Beasley a tweener? He's got the body of Charles Oakley and grabbed 12 rebounds a game. Don't hold his 3 point shot and ball handling ability against him. A lot of guys can score. Guys that rebound are guys that work on their game and work on the floor. He's all power forward.I hope Chicago goes with Rose, but either way the Heat can't lose. Here's some trivia I just thought up. There's been 7 teams that have won an NBA championship in the last 25 years. 4 of them are the final four teams left in the playoffs. 2 of them just got the first and second picks in the next NBA draft. Name the other team (without googling up a list). |
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Posts: 4567 05-21-08 3:06 AM BANNED |
You forgot the Rockets. There's been 8 Champs in the last 25 years.
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Posts: 2430 05-21-08 9:21 AM Community Member |
doesnt speak much to parity in the league heh. especially with it being over such a long stretch of time, youd think other teams would get in the mix.
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Posts: 1869 05-21-08 9:38 AM |
Kayso Gnomehater wrote: Rockets was the answer. That's 7 right? Am I missing somebody?
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Posts: 4567 05-21-08 1:06 PM BANNED |
I thought your answer was your (hometown at the time?) 76ers w/ Dr. J and Moses Malone. Wasn't that exactly 25 years ago? I thought that was the point of
making it 25 years.
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Posts: 1869 05-21-08 3:57 PM |
Kayso Gnomehater wrote: I guess, but I'm not sure of the exact cutoff. I was making it 25 years to exclude the oldest aberration (Sixers). Now the only aberration is the Heat since they only won one. To me, it's really one of the incredibly strange things in professional sports that so few teams have won a championship in a league that is designed for parity with a draft and a salary cap. I think it gets even more interesting when you see two of those teams (Bulls, Heat) getting the top 2 picks this year when you can make the argument that neither deserve to be picking that early (ie. Heat sort of tanked the season, Bulls won the lottery from the 10th spot with around a 1 in 100 chance). one could almost begin to suspect that it's fixed |
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Posts: 2430 05-21-08 4:03 PM Community Member |
its hard to see parity existing in a league where an expiring contract has almost as much value as a good player.
basketball by its nature will be hard to have parity in, the teams are small and the star players have such an impact, and there arnt enough stars to go around. that and when a potential star is in the wrong system and doesnt utilize him correctly, it makes it seem like there are even fewer to go around. |
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Posts: 1869 06-02-08 1:07 PM |
Although I want Beasley, I am really starting to hope Chicago takes him. I have this bad feeling that Riley is going to trade away the pick if Chicago goes
with Rose.
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Federiko EQ |
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Posts: 3288 06-02-08 2:33 PM You can never have too |
I've read Riley prefers Mayo to Beasley but obviously it's more equitable to trade down to 3 or 4 than selecting him outright at #2.
All the pundits seem to peg Gallinari as D'Antoni's type of point forward but apparently he isn't all that high on the kid. Augustin would be a reach here and there's no one else in that 5-10 range I really like. I say they package the pick along with Randolph in order to clear his contract from the books. |
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Posts: 3288 06-24-08 10:03 AM You can never have too |
Chad Ford on Mike & Mike basically said that Riley really doesn't like Beasley. Mulling over a trade with Memphis, Conley and the #5 for the #2,
otherwise he may just select Mayo over him.
Bayless seems to be slipping a bit. I'd love for the Knicks to have a chance at him. |
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Posts: 1869 06-24-08 11:31 AM |
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