Just got done reading this article and I'm quite pissed off. I fail to
understand how, after Abu Grahaib and the Gitmo Quran incident (whether it happened or not), someone in the US military could do something so utterly stupid.
There just isn't any excuse for it given the training we all go through prior to deploying to the middle east. All it takes is an idiot like this to set
back our relations with the Iraqi people when we've been enjoying great cooperation from them for the past 18 months.
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Posts: 2921 05-17-08 6:53 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
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Posts: 7112 05-17-08 6:56 PM 100% Soybean |
People are stupid. All the training in the world can't fix that, unfortunately. :(
I'm not givin' you attitude. I just want another drink.
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Posts: 5124 05-17-08 7:52 PM Wholly Shi'ite |
Big fucking deal. Like people all over the world don't burn American flags, or the symbols of Christianity or other religions? Frankly, in my book, the
people who get bent out of shape over the incident (not meaning Cinabre, but the people around the world who will react to this) are bigger assholes than the
asshole who used the book for target practice.
"Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression.... is our lives."
Have you met Tyler Durden? 
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Posts: 7112 05-17-08 9:17 PM 100% Soybean |
I would agree if it were you or I shooting Qurans here in the state. When it's the soldiers who are there with the supposed intent of helping these people,
then disrespecting them at the same time, it seems pretty damn stupid.
I'm not givin' you attitude. I just want another drink.
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Posts: 1869 05-17-08 11:05 PM |
It's unfortunate, but there's no way to control the behavior of every soldier.
We could probably turn it to our favor by making an example of him, but I don't think he's really guilty of any crime that would have enough of a penalty to placate muslims on something like this. |
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Posts: 3221 05-17-08 11:45 PM Community Member |
I'm unsympathetic to the Muhammadans in general but I recognize we are trying to give space to Iraqis so that they can be less than perfect Muslims and
thereby be responsible, even admirable people and perhaps long term allies. Things like this obviously doesn't help and only gives ammunition to the true
Muslims to inflame the rest of the people who may have been lapsing. If you want to fuck around like that for personal satisfaction you make damn sure it wont
get out and hurt the mission.
We are in the business of creating lapsed Muslims both for our own self-interests and to give them a last chance before something happens which forces us to "go medieval". There is the bottom line on the War On Terror. As Mark levin says, "thank me" |
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Posts: 1891 05-18-08 12:56 AM |
When it's the soldiers who are there with the supposed intent of helping these people, then disrespecting them at the same time, it seems pretty damn stupid.It's stupid to be frustrated with people trying to kill you for helping them? Seriously? We're supposed to understand that they are frustrated when they use terrorism and suicide bombing, but they have free reign to get bent out of shape over this?
Mork
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Posts: 7112 05-18-08 2:38 AM 100% Soybean |
Morkenlar wrote:What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about the non-terrorist Arabs. They exist, you know? They also regard the Quran as a very holy symbol. Those are the people I'm talking about. Those are the people that the military is apologizing to, right? Those are the people we're helping, right? I'm not defending terrorists, suicide bombers or anything of the sort. I am, however, about to call jihad on your reading comprehension.
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Posts: 2331 05-18-08 8:46 AM |
I'm with Cin on this. I expect/demand a level of professionalism from our military.
Stupidity like this puts others in harms way.
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Posts: 661 05-18-08 10:32 PM |
Cinabre wrote: We should turn the guy over to the Iraqi's to be dealt with under their law :) That will let them feel better. The guy was a fucktard.
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Wtf is a "lapsed Muslim"?
Borofin tells you:
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Posts: 2295 05-19-08 12:30 PM 1-900-Santa |
in Borospeak, one that isn't trying to kill us. i.e. most of them.
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Posts: 2921 05-19-08 12:51 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Gandol teh Pirate wrote: Kind of like a lapsed Christian I would imagine. One of my Iraqi friends, Tony, was what I would consider "lapsed". He grew up going to mosque
and praying five times a day, but realized that shutting your business down so many times a day doesn't help with pulling in the money needed to raise a
family. He still attends the major Muslim religious ceremonies and "tries" to observe Ramadan, but the five times a day prayers are out for him.
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Ah yes, I call them "holiday Christians" and the like. Not bad people at all, just a little more casual about religion in everyday life. Works for
me.
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Holiday christians are the way to go. It's worked for me as well.
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Posts: 2921 05-19-08 3:10 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Down here, we call them Christeasters (Cr - ee - sters). Those that just show up at Christmas and Easter.
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Well then there may indeed be something to what Borofin has alluded to with a relaxed Muslim population. I really believe that religion or spirituality is what
you should do with your down-time rather than making it the center of your daily activities and duties. But then, that would require a whole bunch of people to
lighten up considerably regarding their particular faith, and I wouldn't limit that to just Muslims where the Middle East is concerned.
Zarr's contextualized position on slavery:
For a humorous example, I sold myself as a slave at a charity auction once. I ended up spending the day chopping wood at a farm. It's slavery, but it's far from immoral. |
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Posts: 2921 05-19-08 6:13 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
^^^ agree.
Edit: With the post, not the sig. Many times in battle, one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway. |
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Posts: 4606 05-20-08 7:36 AM |
Gandol teh Pirate wrote: Same thing as a lapsed Catholic, I'd assume.
"There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Posts: 5124 05-20-08 7:49 AM Wholly Shi'ite |
Why is it everyone gets all up in arms when Muslim symbols get desecrated, but anything else that anyone else hold sacred, they're just fucked and need to get over it? Because droids don't pull peoples' arms out of their sockets when they lose.
"Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression.... is our lives."
Have you met Tyler Durden?
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Posts: 4606 05-20-08 8:32 AM |
Ok...so the lesson here is we'll tolerate whatever bullshit you do provided your a big enough dick about it. So that should mean that the anti-burn the
flag crowd or the marriage is sacred numbuts should start beheading people who desecrate either, and then the government will start apologizing when it
happens?
peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Damn dude, don't get your panties in a twist. You sound like one of those Muslims who gets up in arms over shit you think is small.
Zarr's contextualized position on slavery:
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Gandol teh Pirate wrote: Well you know, here's the thing. I watch you and the majority of our regular posters here feel free at any time to poo poo, vehemently, any mention at all of anything anybody else holds sacred or important. Whether it be the flag, or their religion, or some other symbol. And then I watch the majority of that same group condemn this soldier for holding the exact same lack of reverence for something someone else, who happens to be muslim, considers to be sacred. I'm sorry...but fuck that. The consensus around here seems to be that if you hold something sacred, then you need to suck it up when someone doesn't share the same view. If that's the case, then the muslims need to do the same thing. If that sniper purchased that copy free and clear, then if he wants to shoot it full of holes, piss on it, light it on fire, put the ashes inside of a football and then bury it all in a ziplock bag full of mentstral blood in desecrated ground, all while filming it for youtube, then more power to him, as long as he's off duty when he does it. And if your going to condemn him in any way, then that needs to be applied the same way when anyone else attacks some other group's revered object...and we should expect the next time some peace protester burns the flag in effigy, we should hear the same crying fowl for that as we do for this. peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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You mean like how you get when people talk about burning flags? You've documented yourself quite well here in how physically upset you get at such an
action. Why is an Iraqi's reaction to some other object less valid? There's no way you'd be a-ok if I went down to my local Walgreen's, bought
a flag, rolled the videotape, and burned the flag, only to post the whole thing on youtube with links for you to watch.
One man's garbage is another man's treasure. Or have you changed your stance on that?
Zarr's contextualized position on slavery:
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Posts: 2384 05-20-08 10:11 AM |
Aiel's post was aimed at some of the folks here, not in Iraq.
While he does argue that Muslims should suck it up his comments have more to do with how WE respond. From where I sit he is correct. -Ed |
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We respond in a way that suggests our disappointment at the lack of professionalism shown by a soldier who uses a book considered holy by the local denizens
for target practice. I don't care that the book was shot up, I care that the guy who did it went out of his way to do so in the most inappropriate of
places. This isn't rocket science. Sometimes, context is everything.
Zarr's contextualized position on slavery:
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Posts: 4606 05-20-08 10:18 AM |
Gandol teh Pirate wrote: No. I have not changed my stance on that. There's no way I'd be be ok with it. But then again, I think this soldier should be punished extensively
for his insensetivity and for the fact that he very likely put people in danger by his thoughtless act.
"There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Posts: 2921 05-20-08 10:19 AM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
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