It seems that 7 out of 10 democrats don't want either candidate to drop out.
peace,
Aielman
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
I guess the democrats like the drama |
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Interesting, to me, poll result.
It seems that 7 out of 10 democrats don't want either candidate to drop out. peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Fishbeak |
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I'd be part of that 7. As much as I loathe Hillary and believe she has no chance her machine is as close as you can get to the scorched earth campaign
Obama is going to face in the Fall. He needs to be able to handle her. The longer he is exposed the better prepared he will be for the general.
Borofin's bitch
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Klark |
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It's a new thing called democracy. Let the people vote.
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Kayso Gnomehater |
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I'm not a democrat and Hillary is my 3rd choice, but I don't want to see her drop out either.
This isn't high school. This isn't about "drama" no matter how much the press would love it to be. She has a legitimate chance to be make history as the first female President of the most powerful nation on the planet. Why should she give that up? And before anyone says "the good of the nation", no one has done ANYTHING for the good of the nation; at least not in terms of the Presidency. Why should Hillary have to be the first? |
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Ohms64 |
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I just like to continue seeing the democrats kill one another in the race. No matter who is left standing, they will be a weary opponent at the end of the race. And before I am bashed by the democrats. I feel I was always taken care of by the republican party much better while I served in the military. I still have brothers and sisters serving in the military so I hope they continue to be treated as well as they possibly can. Hey, maybe I will be wrong at some point and a dem will actually take care of them too. |
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sora55 |
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no one has done ANYTHING for the good of the nationHey! I'm not out spreading my seed, am I? That has to be for the good of the nation. |
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Physic FormerlyHasRez |
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>That has to be for the good of the nation.
no, its for the good of mankind. definitely to the detriment of a variety of absorbent materials in your house is my guess. |
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Zifnab |
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Her strategy is to beat Obama over the head for as long as possible, hope McCain wins the general election so she can run in 2012. If Obama wins her window
will likely close.
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Cinabre |
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Zifnab wrote: The scenario I think will most likely happen is that Obama wins the nomination, goes on to win the Presidency, Democrats gain more seats in Congress - but
not the magic number of 60. Obama gets stymied every time he tries to get Congress to carry out all of his grand plans. Hillary runs in 2012 and gets
elected, Congress does hit the magic 60% number, all of her plans are passed and our economy goes even farther into the shitter than it already is. Not real
rosy, but I can see it happening.
Many times in battle, one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway. |
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Gandol teh Pirate |
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A party member challenging a fellow party incumbent after 1 term? Not bloody likely.
As for the economy going deeper into the shitter, again it's not bloody likely. The current economic problems are primarily the result of massive capital loss from the speculative housing market. That's a correction that was due and the recovery will be done within two years, no matter who wins the upcoming November election. You're also assuming that the Dems will completely screw up the country by virtue of winning a super-majority. You might be right about that; GW Bush managed to do it with simple majorities in both houses by virtue of his fabricated, $3 trillion war.
Borofin tells you:
Not you, jagoff... You are obviously lying in claiming ignorance of whom I was addressing. But lying is natural for you, isn't it? Go away you Bay area, anti-American leftist pos. |
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Physic FormerlyHasRez |
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A party member challenging a fellow party incumbent after 1 term? Not bloody likely.i agree, but with hilary's legacy on the line....i think she's like the only person that would try this. As for the economy going deeper into the shitter, again it's not bloody likely.i think its a lot more likely than you think. rises in commodities are usually the tail end of prosperous portion of a business cycle which is what we're seeing today. The current economic problems are primarily the result of massive capital loss from the speculative housing market.that's one facet, and a major problem. the consequences of the credit collapse imo are long term issues and not short term problems. |
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Klark |
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Gandol teh Pirate wrote:Hmm... 1976, 1980, 1992... but, yes, in the past sixteen years it has not happened. |
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Kayso Gnomehater |
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Klark wrote: You're correct. But if you're going to be a dick about the way you say it, it would probably be intellectually honest to admit to the special
circumstances to each election you cited.
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Klark |
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Kayso Gnomehater wrote:He's wrong, but, yes, attack me. He's wrong but assume you can nitpick and argue special circumstances just to claim I'm not "intellectually honest". I'm not sure you comprehend the idea of "intellectually honest". True Kayso form. |
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Kayso Gnomehater wrote: Would kind of depend on how badly he fucks up in 4 years, wouldn't you think? They didn't start out thinking Carter was unelectable...they ended up that way. peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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digivan |
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Zifnab wrote: You mean like a come along in 2012 where she can say, "see, I told you should have elected me 4 years ago"....?
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digivan |
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The current economic problems are primarily the result of massive capital loss from the speculative housing market.
Personally I hope you are right. However, I'm afraid there are other factors that could keep us down for a while. 1. The entitlement mentality of the lower classes. They are not going to stop screaming for more and more as the economy continues rolling downhill. With a Democratic president in place they are likely to be handed more and more via social programs. 2. The price of gas. I doubt we will ever in our lifetime see gas under $2 again, and maybe not under $3. Too much global demand right now. The oil producing nations have no desire to lower prices. Why should they? 3. The continued increase of illegal aliens into this country. This will continue to put a burden on our resources and infrastructure costing us all more in the form of taxes, higher prices on goods and services, and hard money being sent out of this country to their homelands. Those are just 3 factors of many more I'm afraid. |
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Gandol teh Pirate |
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Since Klark is either unwilling or unable to read between the lines...
When I said somebody isn't going to run against the incumbent of the same party, I was talking about that person running with the full force of the party's political machinery behind them. Even now, Clinton is lending her own campaign money to continue operations because support among the base sees the situation for what it is; Obama is the winner. Do you really think she'll have any chance of mounting a credible campaign 4 years from now vs. an incumbent Obama? I know you like trolling, but let's just try to keep the conversation moving forward in a way where reasonable people can assume that reality is a guiding factor in how the upcoming reality will unfold.
Borofin tells you:
Not you, jagoff... You are obviously lying in claiming ignorance of whom I was addressing. But lying is natural for you, isn't it? Go away you Bay area, anti-American leftist pos. |
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Klark |
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Gandol teh Pirate wrote:Good to see that instead of correcting your statement you are trying to reword it. So, when you are caught being wrong, it's now call trolling? If you wanted to "keep the conversation moving forward" you would not put forward such a blatantly simplistic and wrong statement. Cin brought up the scenario that Obama may not get anything done in his first term and leave himself open for challenge. We have examples from recent history where an incumbent had challengers because he was seen as a weak candidate (for reasons that Kayso described). Patry members DID challenge the incumbent, and in these cases did not succeed. The more intellectual response to Cin would be that these examples showed that a weak incumbent STILL defeated the rivals. Carter have few successes but still won the nomination. Obama would have to be less popular and less successful than Carter or Ford, at least according to history. Then there is the example of Johnson in 1968 but that's probably too complex to compare. PS. That's called "moving the conversion forward", unlike "not bloody likely". |
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mfer haze |
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I like this Klark guy.
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Cafu07 |
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Klark wrote: If Obama is elected, he should have very nice majorities in both houses to work with. He really won't have much of an excuse if he doesn't get
anything done.
John McCain: He was against waterboarding before he was for it.
John McCain: He was for campaign finance reform before he ran for president. |
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Cinabre |
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Cafu07 wrote: Well, yes and no. A simple majority will not be able to get much passed if the Republicans don't wish to let it pass (think judges). Unless the Democrats can get more than 60 in the Senate, don't count on much being accomplished without a lot of compromise. Many times in battle, one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway. |
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Yeah, well...besides the complete lack of experience in leadership, yes.
peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Klark |
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Cafu07 wrote: Well, Congress brings in a whole new dimension. I don't think it's possible to underestimate Congress' ability to be a failure, regardless of the party in control. |
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Fishbeak |
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Yeah, well...besides the complete lack of experience in leadership, yes.
Yeah, cuz experience equals success. For instance Richard Nixon. And GWB. Their experience really put them over the top. When you're running on a platform of change it would be pretty impossible to be intellectually honest if you're an experienced DC insider. But hey, intellectual honesty and consistency have never been the hallmarks of American politics and certainly not on this little corner of the intertubes. Pop quiz time - which remaining campaign never ran out of cash? Being able to manage a national campaign can be a nice little canary in a our little coal mine. It's a view of a candidate's management ability of a large organization. Granted not nearly as big as the executive branch but the biggest org any of the remaining candidates have ever managed. Only one ran a campaign without running out of cash. I think that's a good sign. Your mileage will no doubt be exactly opposite of mine and I'll soon learn why that's a terrible thing. A simple majority will not be able to get much passed if the Republicans don't wish to let it pass (think judges). Unless the Democrats can get more than 60 in the Senate, don't count on much being accomplished without a lot of compromise. My knee jerk reaction is to lol at this statement. I wish the search function on this site didn't blow so hard so I could link the hundreds of shrill whines posted here about the horrors of an obstructionist Congress. I promise the DNC will use all those sound bites against the GOP in 2010 if the GOP goes down this path. And I will laugh at the self righteous fauxffednedness of both sides. My knee jerk reaction is not the right reaction though. A couple points. Obama is running on a platform of change and unity. He needs to deliver compromise. I suspect he will. I suspect this will quickly burn his goodwill with the Congressional dems. And then things get ugly. I also think having an adversarial relationship between Congress and the executive branch is a good thing. Look at Bush's first 6 years. Anyone wanna step up and try to claim it wasn't bad for the country? Anyone? Look at Clinton's final years - the years that the budget turned to a surplus. Why? Cuz the only thing Congress would pass were absolute must fuckin have right this fuckin minute items. Yeah, I'd be fine with that. The founding fathers designed our government so that the branches of government are supposed to check each other. We seem to have forgotten that. If we get back to how we're supposed to run I think it's a net win for the country.
Borofin's bitch
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Klark |
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Fishbeak wrote:Hmmm... the one with the most money and sents the spending pace? |
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Kayso Gnomehater |
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Aielman KajiraLiege wrote: Oh yeah. If he's horrible enough and he can't scare the American people back in line with color-coded alerts and the boogeyman it could very well happen. The most passionate love affairs do have a way of turning sour fast. Given he's as unproven of a commodity as we've had in a long time, it's very possible. |
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Cinabre |
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A simple majority will not be able to get much passed if the Republicans don't wish to let it pass (think judges). Unless the Democrats can get more than 60 in the Senate, don't count on much being accomplished without a lot of compromise. No need to search. The Dems have consistently obstructed Bush's court nominees at a time when circuit courts have a huge backlog. You don't think there will be some payback for that, regardless of what soundbites are pulled up? You can laugh all you want, but that will not change the fact that things will not get done unless Obama can somehow overcome the way Congress runs. Maybe if he had gone against his party on a few votes he would have a chance at that, but that didn't happen so it's wishful thinking. Many times in battle, one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway. |
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