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ellocopato |
15 cops pulled off the streets after beating suspects |
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Soygen |
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15 down, 12,668,674 to go! Ba-dum-cha!
I'm not givin' you attitude. I just want another drink.
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Cafu07 |
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Well, there was a cop killed so that means they get to beat up random people for a while. They're cops, they're entitled to that.
This makes me think about another story from Florida from a day or two ago: Governor Charlie Crist has signed an executive order that will use the existing Amber Alert technology to alert the public when a law enforcement officer is seriously wounded or killed in the line of duty. I find this idea that the lives of police officers are worth more than other citizens to be galling. |
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Kreyson |
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They shouldn't have went to Philly and said that shit...
And do the Philly PD not know what a helicopter sounds like? |
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Blackedward |
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From what I had heard the suspects were observed to be involved in a shooting prior to the chase that lead to their beat-down.
The cops (allegedly) watched as one suspect left the vehicle and shot at several others and then took off on foot. The three suspects in the car then drove away while being followed by police. The shooter is still at large. Hard to say how to take this at this point. -Ed |
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Skeptic |
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There was a time when society figured the police deserved special protection, and special laws making a crime worse if a cop were hurt trying to enforce the peace and trying to protect his fellow citizens. That was in the days before hippies decided any symbol of government authority deserved to be destroyed on sight. Except when it was the tax man and he was at someone else's door. --Diane |
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Skeptic |
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And I'd like to go on record as being disgusted by the video I saw of this. I'm not defending it at all. --Diane |
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Kayso Gnomehater |
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Diane, I think most people would favor special protection and harsher laws if there was also a higher level of accountability than that of ordinary civilians.
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Cinabre |
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Cafu07 wrote: Maybe the idea of using the Amber Alert system is to warn the public that there is someone dangerous, someone who doesn't think twice about shooting
law enforcement officers, in time to prevent further deaths? I have researched it, but that would be my guess at justification for using the system.
Many times in battle, one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway. |
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Phrustum ChubbyJerk |
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Cinabre wrote:
"Today we honor the fallen officers who have given their lives in service to the people of Florida, as well as their families who bravely face each new day without their loved one," Governor Crist said. "I am honored to sign this Executive Order to help ensure that those who would seek to do harm to our officers are brought to justice." |
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Cinabre |
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Thanks Phrustrum. Saved me from having to do any research. Cafu's post is correct.
Many times in battle, one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway. |
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ZydallonTrismegistus |
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I find this idea that the lives of police officers are worth more than other citizens to be galling.
Well, they use that system to alert people when a kid is abducted. What gives them precedent over other citizens, just because they're kids? Why when someone older goes missing or is abducted don't they use the system? Is a kid's life really worth more than say an 18 year old's (especially since I've seen Amber Alerts issued on 15 and 16 year olds, is that 2-3 years really that relevant?), or someone even older? Who decides that? I mean, I understand how a parent would look at it were it their kid, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that, for instance, I'd place a higher value on the lives of say my parents or friends than on some kid I had never even met (not that I wouldn't try and help the theoretical kid were I able to, but still...). I understand that kids are looked upon as being less able to defend themselves than an adult would be. But at the point an attacker has overpowered them and they are being abducted, the playing field has been leveled and they have roughly the same chances of survival. So why not issue alerts for citizens that aren't minors as well? Is it because adults are supposed to be better able to defend themselves, and that if they fail to do so, it's somehow their "fault" that they got abducted? Well, sorry to say, but a person can take every reasonable precaution out there and still not be able to fend off a prepared and determined attacker. Another way to look at it is that the cops are the ones out there eating society's shit day in and day out so the rest of us can sit around bitching about (often times) stupid shit and go about our lives reasonably certain that we're safe from random assholes assaulting us and taking our valuables or our lives. They are the agents of a deterrent that keeps a lot of us much safer than we might otherwise be (though granted things aren't perfect and that doesn't always work). There's a reason cops get huge, elaborate state-paid funerals when they're killed in the line of duty. Using the Amber system like is mentioned in that article is nothing more than a minor extension of that sort of thinking. Or should regular citizens all get those sorts of funerals as well? So as to not totally stray off topic, on the surface it does seem like those cops in the OP went over the top and should be punished for doing so. And I agree with Kreyson. How do you not notice a helicopter coming your way in a situation like that? It'd be one thing if some random joe with a camera caught them from across the street or something, but a helicopter with a huge spotlight comes zooming in and you don't stop beating the suspect to at least cover your own ass? That's pretty fucking dumb.
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Klark |
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Cinabre wrote: Amber alerts are used when a child is abducted AND the authorities have descriptive details of the abductor (names, description, car, etc.) The idea is that the public can look for someone or something, not just know that a child was abducted somewhere. What use is it to announce that a police officer is down somewhere? I don't see it as "galling" but it does seem pretty useless. |
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Cafu07 |
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I hope several of these cops spend significant time in jail. It's never going to get better until cops are actually held accountable for breaking the law.
John McCain: He was against waterboarding before he was for it.
John McCain: He was for campaign finance reform before he ran for president. |
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Cafu07 wrote: Crist is a fucknut and I'm hoping the recall petition that's been started against him gains some steam. That asside, the logic behind the alert use is because someone who is willing to attack a cop is considered to be more dangerous to the public than your average homicidal lunatic, apparently, and the thought is that the system will help to more quickly apprehend a suspect. They can't use it unless they have some concrete information to give out, so it's not likely to see much use. And I think the lives of people who put their lives on the line for others are worth more than other citizens. So while I doubt it will help much to put out a statewide alert, I don't have a problem with the executive order. It's not a law, so the next governor can drop the practice as soon as he or she is sworn in. I hope several of these cops spend significant time in jail. It's never going to get better until cops are actually held accountable for breaking the law.Yeah...there are a couple of guys there going too far in the ass beating. You can hit the extremities, especially if they're struggling, but you can't boot someone in the face. peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Kreyson |
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For the record, this video is beyond frustrating to me. There is no question that excessive force is on full display. Thanks for the image boost, Philly!
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Cafu07 |
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Kreyson wrote: Well, it is Philly. They kind of have a history and a reputation for this sort of thing. On the other side of the coin, my experiences with them were always great. Like many police forces in larger cities they've got real stuff to worry about so they don't seem to break your balls about stupid trivial stuff like smaller police departments do. They would steal our beer occasionally when I was in high school, but it's not like they would cite you or bring you in for underage drinking.The problem with the police in the US is that they don't police themselves. They are all locked into this "don't snitch" fraternity mentality that allows bad officers to continue to tarnish their reputation without repercussion. Why should we have sympathy for police when they often operate like gangsters themselves?
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Afmo |
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they should have just tortured him with a tazer instead...they always get away with that...
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mfer haze |
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this is what happens when you fuck around in my town.....
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Kreyson |
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Cafu07 wrote: It is kind of cool being gangster. It has perks. |
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Snaille |
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I'm not going to form an opinion based upon a few minutes of footage out of what is likely many more minutes of footage than what was shown. I saw some
perps getting their asses beat. What I could not see.. were they resisting arrest at the time or anything else? What we saw were a bunch of cops doggie-piling
perps and beating them. Were they resisting arrest while getting beaten? What happened in the minutes leading up to the apprehension of the suspects? All this
is left out except for the so-called police brutality.
Perp beatings are a daily occurrence in this country; some much more severe than this footage. Hell, I was delivering a sammich to a jail houser (corrections officer) friend of mine and saw a 125lb woman getting her drunk ass man-handled three ways to Sunday, hog-tied, dragged, wrestled and finally thrown like a bowling ball into a holding cell by (5) male cops, all of whom were sweating, some bruised, by the time she was put into a cell. Did they abuse her? Hell no. Did she deserve more than she got? Probably. There's more to the story than what we are being told. |
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Cafu07 wrote: True...at least they didn't drop a bomb on them, heh. On the other side of the coin, my experiences with them were always great. Like many police forces in larger cities they've got real stuff to worry about so they don't seem to break your balls about stupid trivial stuff like smaller police departments do. They would steal our beer occasionally when I was in high school, but it's not like they would cite you or bring you in for underage drinking.My experience with cops has always been that you don't get smacked unless you're a dumbass...pretty much in any city I lived in. These guys were in a high speed chase, which always tends to piss cops off from the get go, and there was just a fatal officer involved shooting at the scene these guys had fled from. That falls under the dumbass category. I'd expect tensions to be a bit high at that point. peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Cafu07 |
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Aielman KajiraLiege wrote: Sure, it's definitely understandable. It's often easy to understand the emotions behind many crimes. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be
put in jail.
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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I really have no problem with someone getting the shit kicked out of them for running from the cops. It's illegal, so go ahead and prosecute. But if they
made it legal tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me one bit.
You run, you put everyone's life in danger who's in your path...and you deserve what comes when you stop. peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Kendien |
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You run, you put everyone's life in danger who's in your path...and you deserve what comes when you stop.I might not take it that far, but my mother taught me that if you are okay with the repercussions of decisions you were making, then go ahead with those decisions. If these people were not okay with a good old fashioned ass-whipping, then they probably shouldn't have run from the police. Then again, the police officers have to understand that their decisions, too, come with repercussions and they should at the very least lose work time and pay, at the worst should be tried for battery and other crimes if necessary. I'm fine with what the police officers did, but that doesn't mean they should not be punished. |
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Kendien wrote: I would. I have a fraternity brother named Sonny Laufbaum who was hit with his, now, wife rose when they were pulled over to the side of the 405 freeway in
LA in 1985 by an asshole running from the cops so he didn't have to pay a speeding ticket.
"There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Kendien |
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Which leads me to believe that it would be just fine if they get their ass kicked when cops finally catch up to runners.You and I aren't disagreeing on that fact. But those actions need to be punished. Just because you wear a badge doesn't mean you are above the law you protect. I'm always willing to give them some leeway in their actions, but this was outside of that in my mind. If they would have given them a couple swats with a baton, no problem. But they went overboard. I mean, you have a law enforcement officer on these boards that agrees they went overboard. How can you still defend the actions? |
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Cafu07 |
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