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 Trike |
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Posts: 17595 04-21-08 12:04 PM
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Posts: 2920 04-21-08 1:27 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Price per gig is way too high for me, otherwise I would love to have a couple in RAID.
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Posts: 9344 04-21-08 2:12 PM |
Alas they are made by WD. I've had nothing but bad experiences with the raptor line and failures.
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Posts: 7112 04-21-08 2:20 PM 100% Soybean |
I've never had a Hard Drive fail and I've used tons of every brand. I'm a lucky guy, I guess.
I would like one of these in my laptop. Too bad it won't fit.
I'm not givin' you attitude. I just want another drink.
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Cinabre |
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Posts: 2920 04-21-08 3:37 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Soygen wrote:Not something I would ever wish on anyone, but you really must be lucky to have never had it happen to you. I think, for those of us who worked with computers back in the mainframe days, the sound of a head crash on a drive platter is something that will always haunt us. Made for lots of long hours rebuilding disc packs 
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Posts: 260 04-21-08 4:09 PM |
brrr brrrr brrrr brrr SQUEEEEE click.....
I've had the worst experience with old school Maxtor drives, followed by WD. Lucky for both companies it was always with in 3 or 4 months from going past date. |
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Posts: 2121 04-21-08 4:20 PM Mortal Wombat |
A pity it's only released in 300GB - I actually have been waiting for a 3GB/s raptor in the same sizes as the current ones for a RAID 0 scratch setup for
Photoshop. 300GB is way too much (considering the costs). The 36GB x 2 would have been fine. I held off because it seemed that they just had to release a SATA
II version. I'll wait a little longer to see if they do come out with some smaller ones - 600GB in scratch space is just a waste :(
Farwarden Creac Peregrinate
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Posts: 2558 04-21-08 4:37 PM Mera's Master |
I have yet to have a WD drive go bust on me. Maxtor, though, there is another story...ugh.
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zeist prexus |
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Posts: 1198 04-21-08 5:23 PM |
I've never had a drive die in a computer I personally own. When you think about it, it's a pretty small sample size even if you do a lot of
upgrading/buying new computers. If I remember, when you buy them in OEM packaging straight from the manufacturer they generally come in boxes of 20. It would
take you a while as an ordinary computer user to go through that many drives and I would be shocked if any brand is shipping boxes where it's common for
even one to be bad in every box. They would go out of business fast.
And also keep in mind that drives tend to outlive their usefulness fairly quickly in terms of a human lifespan. I have a 4.3gb Micropolis 80-pin SCA drive sitting on my desk. Even if I had a SCSI controller installed to use it, it's tiny with piss-poor performance and reaches temperatures approaching the surface of the sun to do it. It's so old that it probably has failed by now and I may never know it.
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Cinabre |
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Posts: 2920 04-21-08 6:13 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
I've had mixed luck over the years with Maxtor, WD, Hitachi and IBM (now sold by Hitachi). Most of my users are graphics artists and beat the hell out of
their drives on a daily basis. I too would love a set of the Raptors in Raid 0 for a Photoshop scratch disc, but can't afford it either. Of the four brands
I listed, I wouldn't say any one has failed more than the others but I've had more than one of each over the past 15 years. About the only drives that
have never failed on my (so far) are laptop drives. Guess they must build them to a higher standard (currently using an IBM Deskstar in this machine).
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Posts: 2409 04-22-08 3:32 AM |
The only drives have had acually die on me have been a couple in out DVR - perhaps I've just been lucky too; occasionally I've had drives in actual
computers start sounding seriously unhealthy but I've just swapped them out when I've got around to it.
I have a suspicion that the main reason my drives don't die is that I've got around to having an automated backup of my important stuff :-)
I support indoctrination in the schools starting at kindergarten promoting homosexual parity and normality, environmental
catastrophism, white guilt, and American unexceptionalism
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Posts: 4606 04-22-08 10:19 AM |
creac wrote: They released it in that size to bridge a gap. The 36G market is shortly going to be taken over by solid state drives as they come down in price. The new WD drives will be for those who can't afford a SAS drive system. peace, Aielman "Bush said that he now believes in Global warming...as a result...I'm not sure
anymore." - Lewis Black
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Posts: 9344 04-22-08 10:44 AM |
I haven't had *terrible* luck with dying hard drives. It's just specifically the raptor line. Of the 20 or so I have been in contact with at least
two thirds of them died within 3 years. These were pretty much used in a 24/7 environment which obviously doesn't help.
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Posts: 2121 04-22-08 4:27 PM Mortal Wombat |
Yeah, but only the high end SSDs are worth using as replacements for Raptors and they are still *way* more expensive - it'll be 9-12 months before
they're a reasonable price (the lower end SSDs will be viable in terms of price, but not performance).
I realise why it's 300GB, both from a marketing and technical point of view, but it would have been nice to see something in the 80-120GB range which would make them vaguely affordable for RAID 0 for scratch disks. As it stands, I'll probably be waiting until the end of the year for a pair of SSDs to do the job. Farwarden Creac Peregrinate
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Posts: 2327 04-22-08 11:00 PM
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I've had 2 Maxtor's die on me...replaced both of them with SeaGates and had no problems...
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Cinabre |
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Posts: 2920 04-23-08 7:15 AM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Since the subject of SSD's was brought up, I've been looking at them. Sure would be nice to afford a couple, but I can't see me spending that much
for storage unless I win the lotto or something.
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Posts: 3288 04-23-08 9:59 AM You can never have too |
I wouldn't mind a SSD for my laptop but I was under the impression that traveling with them is a major hassle to to possible erasure. Legit or rumor?
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Cinabre |
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Posts: 2920 04-23-08 10:13 AM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Federiko EQ wrote: I would suspect more rumor than truth. I've had flash memory containing electronics x-rayed dozens of times in the past couple of years with zero
problems of losing data.
Many times in battle, one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway. |
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Posts: 2121 04-23-08 4:16 PM Mortal Wombat |
Complete myth. Many photographers carry memory cards and flash memory in various forms around the world and through x-ray constantly (including SSDs) and with
zero problems.
The 1.8" form factor is going to be ideal for laptops and other portable devices, but we're 9-12 months away from the lower end of the market being truly affordable (compared to HDDs) and probably another 9-12 months on top of that before the performance products are reasonable. Farwarden Creac Peregrinate
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Aielman KajiraLiege |
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Posts: 4606 04-24-08 9:10 AM |
They are massively sweet though. We got a few in for testing purposes in my test center that they were thinking about using for a couple of aps with high
iops...they are just smoking. I can't wait until they come down enough to be worth it next year or so.
peace, Aielman "There are no stupid questions...but there certainly are a LOT of inquisitive idiots" Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs.
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Federiko EQ |
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Posts: 3288 04-24-08 9:49 AM You can never have too |
Sounds good. I'll get one as soon as the price for a 64GB SSD comes down to a point that doesn't make me want to throw up.
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Ididar Tzan |
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Posts: 2497 04-24-08 11:22 AM |
We're using them for our aircraft-based systems these days purely to get away from the pain in the hole of vibration and mechanical drives. But, we
don't need a massive amount of storage space in the cases we're dealing with so the moderately sized ones are ok. Like others, I can't wait until
64+ GB of storage is available in solid state. Mmmmm.
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Cinabre |
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Posts: 2920 04-24-08 12:07 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Back in 1995, we had a huge array of SSD's that were part on a 4-server SunSparc cluster. That system was amazingly fast, at least as far as fast was back
then. I would estimate the cost of that system, back then, as around $10 million give-or-take a couple mil.
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Cafu07 |
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Posts: 1869 04-24-08 2:14 PM |
This thread is an excellent example of why anecdotal evidence of hard drive failures by brand is completely useless.
No manufacturer makes disks that never fail. Your failed hardrive(s) say nothing about the quality of a company's drives. Use price and length of warranty as the determining factors when you choose a brand because they all fail at about the same rate unless you can point to a study with a huge sampling that says differently. |
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Posts: 2920 04-24-08 2:26 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Length of warranty is something that bothers me. It seems that the warranty period on electronics, no matter what the type, keeps getting shorter and shorter.
I can remember five year warranties on new PC's back in the early '90's and now you get one year for most. Same for TV's, VCR/DVD's, etc.
What ever happened to quality and pride in workmanship (rhetorical)?
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Ididar Tzan |
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Posts: 2497 04-24-08 2:56 PM |
Pride in workmanship costs too much money. WalMart proved that long ago. People (in general) prefer cheaper goods that break after a time. After a certain
period people want to buy new anyway so they prefer buying stuff cheaper knowing full well it will eventually break so they can go buy something new in the
latest "style". I think its a pile of crap ... but hey.
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Ganders |
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Posts: 2409 04-24-08 3:42 PM |
It went through a bad patch, but I have to say all the drives I've bought recently (some Western Dig GPs and some Raptors) have come with full 5 year
warranties.
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catastrophism, white guilt, and American unexceptionalism
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Cinabre |
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Posts: 2920 04-24-08 3:49 PM Big Blue Cat in Warrior Garb |
Yeh, Raptors have the 5 year, but other WD drives (Caviar) have 3 year. Hitachi (IBM) ranges from 1-5 years.
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Trike |
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