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Kayso Gnomehater		#76	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4779 04-03-08 7:30 PM BANNED email Brad for details	And that's just it. Cases have been reviewed for years by groups like Citizens United for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, and the Texas Moratorium Network, and there still hasn't been any concrete evidence that someone innocent has been executed. There hasn't been a single bell weather case to highlight that point of view. When the ultimate standard for concrete evidence is having your conviction overturned, go figure.
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vizco		#77	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3137 04-04-08 7:38 AM Raid Peon	Kayso: When the ultimate standard for concrete evidence is having your conviction overturned, go figure. Are you suggesting that the people applying DNA evidence and other techniques to prove innocence aren't interested in looking at cases where the execution has already taken place? Since their ultimate goal is to cause the death penalty to go away, their Holy Grail would be a case where they could prove that an innocent person was executed. Harmony of Souls : My Quiver All this science I don't understand; it's just my job five days a week.
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Aielman KajiraLiege		#78	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4674 04-04-08 8:48 AM	Exactly my point. They do far more good to their cause by proving someone was innocent, but was executed, than by trying anything else short of some sort of The Life of David Gale stunt. peace, Aielman "Bush said that he now believes in Global warming...as a result...I'm not sure anymore." - Lewis Black Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs. aka Bret
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Klark		#79	[url]	[-]
Posts: 928 04-04-08 11:06 AM	Kayso Gnomehater wrote: When the ultimate standard for concrete evidence is having your conviction overturned, go figure. Ultimate standard? You are jumping from people having doubts years after the execution and conspiracy theories of police cover-ups to prove innocense to some "ultimate standard for concrete evidence" excuse. Why is it that when people ask the anti-death-penalty crowd for facts and evidence, they throw their hands up and cry that it's impossible?
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Ganders		#80	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2426 04-04-08 11:38 AM	They do far more good to their cause by proving someone was innocent, but was executed, Perhaps they want to expend their (presumably limited) resources trying to stop those on death row from being executed than worrying about some guy who's already dead? I support indoctrination in the schools starting at kindergarten promoting homosexual parity and normality, environmental catastrophism, white guilt, and American unexceptionalism
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Morkenlar		#81	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1923 04-04-08 11:49 AM	So it's more cost efficient to try and save one life on death row, rather than all of them, Ganders? I don't buy it. Mork "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul"
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Klark		#82	[url]	[-]
Posts: 928 04-04-08 1:21 PM	Ganders wrote: Perhaps they want to expend their (presumably limited) resources trying to stop those on death row from being executed than worrying about some guy who's already dead? The state pays for the defense of the accused, all along the lengthy process. Why else do you think it's so expensive? Those groups spend their resources away from direct cases.
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Aielman KajiraLiege		#83	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4674 04-04-08 2:19 PM	Ganders wrote: They do far more good to their cause by proving someone was innocent, but was executed, Perhaps they want to expend their (presumably limited) resources trying to stop those on death row from being executed than worrying about some guy who's already dead? It's a helluva lot more cost efficient to study the case of someone already dead...there's no urgency. peace, Aielman "Bush said that he now believes in Global warming...as a result...I'm not sure anymore." - Lewis Black Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs. aka Bret
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Falkahnhan		#84	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2668 04-04-08 4:13 PM	Are you suggesting that the people applying DNA evidence and other techniques to prove innocence aren't interested in looking at cases where the execution has already taken place? Have any courts allowed a third party to review DNA evidence outside the court system? Is evidence even retained after execution? - Joe I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grants a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison
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Ganders		#85	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2426 04-04-08 5:19 PM	So it's more cost efficient to try and save one life on death row, rather than all of them, Ganders? I don't buy it. No, it's not. But it's a single actual life versus a number of potential ones - people are irrational. (I did try and add a 'devils advocate' disclaimer to my original suggestion but Yuki ate it) I support indoctrination in the schools starting at kindergarten promoting homosexual parity and normality, environmental catastrophism, white guilt, and American unexceptionalism
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Aielman KajiraLiege		#86	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4674 04-05-08 1:50 PM	Falkahnhan wrote: Are you suggesting that the people applying DNA evidence and other techniques to prove innocence aren't interested in looking at cases where the execution has already taken place? Have any courts allowed a third party to review DNA evidence outside the court system? Is evidence even retained after execution? Yes...third parties can review evidence. Universities do it all the time. And yes, they try to hang on to evidence for some time...which is how the people who were exhonerated were set free in the first place. peace, Aielman "Bush said that he now believes in Global warming...as a result...I'm not sure anymore." - Lewis Black Husband, Father, Squisher of bugs. aka Bret
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Falkahnhan		#87	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2668 04-05-08 3:17 PM	And yes, they try to hang on to evidence for some time...which is how the people who were exhonerated were set free in the first place. That really doesn't answer my question since a person has to be alive to be set free. I was asking if evidence is retained after execution. - Joe I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grants a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison
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jebidai		#88	[url]	[-]
Posts: 109 04-05-08 8:44 PM	KRS-one says to free him.... jebidai
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